Michael Dodson (michael8648) |
05-21-2008 10:53 PM |
<center><table border=1><tr><td> http://www.notation.com/discus/icons...hment_icon.gifcorrected using version 2.1 (??)
The Community Meeting__2_1.not (305.8 k)</td></tr></table></center>
I used version 2.1 and eventually got what I wanted (I think?) I couldn't get this far with 2.4 . There was so much manipulation involved, I'm not sure this is what I wanted. I may just have to use v2.1 to fix the printing version and remodify the setup for the version to export to midi. I would like for the 5 tracks to play and the three tracks to show, since two of the tracks are dupes (pan is different).
Informed opinion is welcome. Otherwise I will move on.
Mark Walsen (markwa) |
05-21-2008 11:32 PM |
Hello Herbert,
Thanks you f
Hello Herbert,
Thanks you for your clear bug report above, which I was able to reproduce:<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font>
1. Open a new file by following the defaults of “Create a New Song”.
2. Place onto the treble staff a chord of two 1/4 notes, g and c. A single note does not show the problem.
3. Change notes to a single chord tremolo.
4. Select both notes. A single note does not show the problem.
5. Depress the delete button.
Composer terminates.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>I confirmed that this was b bug in version 2.4.2. I have now fixed it for the upcoming 2.4.3 release.
Cheers
-- Mark
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Mark Walsen (markwa) |
05-22-2008 12:09 AM |
Hello Michael,
<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1> quote:</font>
I want to delete the blank track. I could do so before.
I also want to "hide" duplicate tracks so I'll have only three visible tracks to edit for readibility. When I am done with all this I want it to display this way under Conductor's Score. Otherwise, all this useful display work will be gone when opened with Notation Player.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>Sometime, several months and releases ago, there was a change in how Staff Setup works. In Composer, a "part" displays some subset of all of the staves (or all staves in the case of a conductor's score). The change made several months ago was that you can temporarily hide staves for a part. Composer tried to "retrain" users about this behavior change with the follow message box that comes up when you turn the 'Show' checkmark off for a staff:
http://www.notation.com/discus/messages/36062/36088.jpg
<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1> quote:</font>
I want to delete the blank track. I could do so before.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>There shouldn't be any problem with that. There has been no behavior change. Just do this:
http://www.notation.com/discus/messages/36062/36089.jpg
<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1> quote:</font>
I also want to "hide" duplicate tracks so I'll have only three visible tracks to edit for readibility. When I am done with all this I want it to display this way under Conductor's Score.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>The following is not the way to do it: http://www.notation.com/discus/messages/36062/36090.jpg
Instead, follow these steps: - Choose the Display or Define Part command in the Part menu.
- In the left half of the 'Display and Define Part's dialog, change the selection from 'Conductor's Score' to the first Acoustic Grand Piano part. You'll notice that on the first, only the first piano staff is selected. The following screen shot assumes that you've already previously deleted the empty track:http://www.notation.com/discus/messages/36062/36091.jpg
- Click the 'Display Part and Exit' dialog box. You'll see just that first piano part displayed. (You might want to use the Split Hands command.)
- Save the file as a Notation .not file, not a MIDI file.
Later, when you open this with Notation Player version 2.3, it will display just first piano part rather than the whole conductor's score, because that was the part that was current at the time that you saved the Notation .not file.
Cheers
-- Mark
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Mark Walsen (markwa) |
05-22-2008 12:10 AM |
Michael,
P.S. Wow, I haven
Michael,
P.S. Wow, I haven't had that much fun making screen shots for the forum for a long time.
Cheers
-- Mark
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Mark Walsen (markwa) |
05-22-2008 12:19 AM |
Hello Herbert,
I edited my
Hello Herbert,
I edited my post above to say that the 'delete tremolo' bug is now fixed. Actually, I discovered that I had already fixed it in the current version 2.4.3 that I'm working on.
Cheers
-- Mark
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Michael Dodson (michael8648) |
05-23-2008 08:04 AM |
Mark, I truly appreciate the p
Mark, I truly appreciate the pictures which helped quite a lot.
I also wanted to shout out a special thanks for your "export" arrangement for Midi. Now I can export my changes to midi and continue without interruption working on a notation file, great when finishing up and checking lyrics.
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Tim Fatchen (flyingtadpole) |
05-25-2008 10:41 PM |
Is this just me? this is so ba
Is this just me? this is so basic I thought it would be in the lsit of ?bugs but couldn't find it.
2.4.2 in XP (I had to recently re-download everthing!)
Select a region (ctrl-mouse)
convert it to notes qcrn
hit DEL
COmposer terminates with message "runtime error! Abnormal project termination
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Mark Walsen (markwa) |
05-27-2008 09:04 PM |
Hello Tim,
I wasn't abl
Hello Tim,
I wasn't able to reproduce this with version 2.4.2, nor with the current version (2.5) I'm working on. Please attach the .not file that illustrates this, and let me know what region you selected with Ctrl+Drag.
Thanks!
Cheers
-- Mark
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Tim Fatchen (flyingtadpole) |
05-28-2008 10:55 AM |
Hi Mark. I really don't k
Hi Mark. I really don't know what's going on, but here's a scratch file. If I use ctrl-mouse to define an area and it marks the notes (anticipation), then I use qcrn, I get an abnormal termination and exit.
It may be I have too much debris lying about? But I've tried deleting everything Notation and re-installing without effect. Rolling back to 2.2 works fine.<center><table border=1><tr><td> http://www.notation.com/discus/icons...hment_icon.gifTest scratch files
delete test2.not (10.5 k)</td></tr></table></center>
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Mark Walsen (markwa) |
05-28-2008 05:32 PM |
Hello Tim,
I was able to re
Hello Tim,
I was able to reproduce the crash with version 2.4.2 using your above .not file. That's a serious bug.
It turns out, I've already fixed that bug (without knowing about this particular symptom of the bug) in the upcoming verison 2.5. I have been planning on saving up a big batch of usability improvements, some nice new features (such as Scale Meter) and bug fixes for a 2.5 release in about 2 weeks. This bug symptom is sufficiently serious that I'm tempted to get its fix out in a quick 2.4.3 release, but that would cost me a whole day to prepare the release. So, unless another serious bug shows up, I'll wait until the 2.5 release, in about 2 weeks, to make this bug fix available.
Thanks for reporting it!
Cheers
-- Mark
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M G Jacobs (mgj32) |
06-01-2008 06:04 AM |
Hi Mark,
Please select all
Hi Mark,
Please select all the notes in measures 37 and 38, either by dragging he mouse or moving the cursor over the individual notes. Then use Shift plus either the up or down arrow. The result will be abnormal program termination.
The odd thing is that having done the same process at several other places in the file produces normal results.
all best,
mgj
<center><table border=1><tr><td> http://www.notation.com/discus/icons...hment_icon.gifexample
Symphony 3 (76.5 k)</td></tr></table></center>
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Herbert WENDE (herbert) |
06-03-2008 08:00 AM |
Hi Sherry, Mark,
1. Create
Hi Sherry, Mark,
1. Create a new song by following the defaults of “start a new song from scratch”
2. Add four 1/4 notes to the first bar. Say four times g.
3. Add lyrics to each note advancing each time with space bar. The lyrics are “a”, “b”, “c” and “d”.
4 While the lyric “d” is still selected, click “c”.
5. Click “b”.
6. Click “c”.
Composer fails to respond.
Note: Composers failure to respond is not due to, or is punishment for the uninteresting composition or meaningless lyrics.
Best wishes,
Herbert
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Michael Dodson (michael8648) |
06-03-2008 08:59 AM |
This may or may not be related
This may or may not be related, you decide.
Composer never has been able to add lyrics such that the first note in the score can have a lyric syllable. It will look okay, but when played by VBKaraoke, etc. the first lyric syllable will not show. In the example you gave, I would expect B C D. The A would not show. One can add a preceeding potential lyric space and the problem goes away. In the example, inserting a 1/4 measure as measure #1, then letting the lyric actually start from measure #2, the example should finally (be expected to) display A B C D. Wasn't ABCDEFGHI a song on Sesame Street?
-- Michael --
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Sherry Crann (sherry) |
06-04-2008 02:02 AM |
Howdy guys,
MG - I apologiz
Howdy guys,
MG - I apologize for not getting back on this sooner. Your report slid under my radar. I tried the procedure that you outlined, but without any problem. If you reopen this file in a fresh session of Composer, and attempt the steps, do you still get an abnormal program termination?
Herbert - I was able to reproduce the problem you reported, and it's now on the "fix it" list. The work around for this one is to make sure that the lyric edit box is gone (ie, that you switch from "add" to "select" mode) before selecting another lyric. I'm also sending you a book on lyrical poetry ;)
Michael - VanBasco (and other karaoke players) rely on slash marks for formatting the lyrics. Please try putting a "\" before that first lyric, eg "\a" rather than just "a". That should signal VB "Hey - lyrics coming up!" You can set Composer to hide those slash marks while you're working with the file if you find them annoying in that context. Please see the User's Guide, "Editing types of text/ Lyrics /Working with karaoke (.kar) files" for further information on formatting files for use in karaoke players.
ttfn,
Sherry
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Daniel Vallery (danielv) |
06-04-2008 02:02 AM |
Hey everyone,
wow, its bee
Hey everyone,
wow, its been forever since I've posted. Anyways, a file that I had saved in 2.3.1 all of the sudden would not open anymore. If I tried, Composer would terminate. I updated Composer to 2.4.2, tried to open the file, but said that due to the format it could not be opened. The format was definitely not more recent than the Composer version. Here's the file:
<center><table border=1><tr><td> http://www.notation.com/discus/icons...hment_icon.gif
bid farewell piano.not (307.1 k)</td></tr></table></center>
~Daniel
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M G Jacobs (mgj32) |
06-04-2008 02:16 AM |
Hi Sherry,
Quote: I tried t
Hi Sherry,
Quote: I tried the procedure that you outlined, but without any problem. If you reopen this file in a fresh session of Composer, and attempt the steps, do you still get an abnormal program termination? End Quote.
After several fresh sessions, or both Composer and the computer. What surprised me most was that this was that only these notes in those two measures produced the result. Did you by chance try it in a version that had some of the abnormal termination problems fixed?
all best,
mgj
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Michael Dodson (michael8648) |
06-04-2008 03:18 AM |
Hi Sherry,
I fixed lyrics
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Sherry Crann (sherry) |
06-04-2008 03:48 AM |
Howdy Michael,
I opened the
Howdy Michael,
I opened the .mid file and found a "/" (forward slash) rather than the suggested "\" (backward slash). I think it's the "\" (backward slash) that will make the difference. "Leaning into it" as it were ;) Please let me know if it doesn't. The "/" (forward slash) is for a different formatting aspect of karaoke files. Mark has written a nice section on karaoke formatting in the User's Guide, as mentioned above.
ttfn,
Sherry
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Sherry Crann (sherry) |
06-04-2008 03:54 AM |
Howdy Daniel,
I've let
Howdy Daniel,
I've let Mark know about the problem with your file not opening (I was unable to open it as well in 2.3.2). In the meantime, if you need to work on it, you may need to reinstall your older version of Composer. If you need help with that, let me know.
ttfn,
Sherry
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Sherry Crann (sherry) |
06-04-2008 04:00 AM |
Howdy MG,
Ah - my bad, whic
Howdy MG,
Ah - my bad, which actually will be for your good http://www.notation.com/discus/clipart/happy.gif I did have a newer in-progress version when I tested your file (I'd forgotten to switch back), and so the good news is that the problem is fixed in the next 2.5 release, which should happen (according to my sources) within the next two weeks.
As a work around for now, you'll need to use Region Select, and copy the measures, then paste them into any new sections where you want them to be rather than using the select/shift+up/down arrow shortcut for putting those notes elsewhere. Sorry about that.
ttfn,
Sherry
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Michael Dodson (michael8648) |
06-04-2008 04:40 AM |
Hi Sherry,
I corrected the
Hi Sherry,
I corrected the slash direction in the notation file. I deleted the midi file. I exported a new ABCDEFGHI midi file. It still plays B C D E F G H I. The A does not play. Do you want a free copy of VanBasco? The exported midi from Composer will not show the A, forward or back slashed.
-- Michael --
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David Jacklin (dj) |
06-04-2008 11:20 AM |
Hi, Sherry, Daniel et al:
R
Hi, Sherry, Daniel et al:
Regarding files suddenly not opening:
I'm still with 2.3.3 (as my steam-powered internet connection has not been reliable enough lately to download a big file) and since I took my studio apart and re-arranged it, I've suddenly been having difficulty with files not opening.
I've found that it has to do with changing of the default sound device. It seems that the file loads as far as the new dialogue box that comes up asking about re-assigning staves to the new default device and then the program hangs before that box is displayed.
This seems only to happen when the new default device is one that was not present (or has been modified since) the file was originally created.
I've worked around this by making sure that the default device is what was originally saved with the file, then making changes later as needed.
So far, I think that all the files that caused Composer to hang have loaded with that workaround in place.
David
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Daniel Vallery (danielv) |
06-05-2008 03:01 AM |
Hey Sherry,
yes, I do need
Hey Sherry,
yes, I do need some info regarding re-installing an older version, as I have unfortunately deleted any setups that I had.
And for clarification's sake, all of my files open with 2.4.2 accept for this one, which would terminate version 2.3.1. I simply upgraded to see if it would open again, which it didn't.
~Daniel
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Sherry Crann (sherry) |
06-05-2008 04:50 AM |
Howdy Daniel,
Actually Mark
Howdy Daniel,
Actually Mark and I both tested this file in other versions of Composer, and it appears that the file itself has been corrupted somehow. Since all your other files open in 2.4.2, that gives even more weight to that conclusion.
Your best bet here is to use the "File/Autosave file recovery" command, and then look for the last-saved backup of your "bid farewell piano" file. It should look like "bid farewell piano-Recover-1.not" for the last-saved one. Please try opening that file, or the ones before it, and see if they will open in 2.4.2. If so, you should only lose about the last five minutes of work you'd done on the file.
Here's hoping you can recover an uncorrupted copy quickly!
Sherry
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Sherry Crann (sherry) |
06-05-2008 04:51 AM |
Howdy Michael,
Thanks for t
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Mark Walsen (markwa) |
06-05-2008 05:19 PM |
Hello MG,
Thanks for report
Hello MG,
Thanks for reporting this problem a few days ago with your Symphony 3 .not file:
<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font>
Please select all the notes in measures 37 and 38, either by dragging he mouse or moving the cursor over the individual notes. Then use Shift plus either the up or down arrow. The result will be abnormal program termination.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>I confirmed the bug in version 2.4.2. It is now fixed for the next release, version 2.5, or perhaps 2.4.3. I might decide to get a 2.4.3 maintenance release out sooner with a few fixes like that one.
Cheers
-- Mark
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Mark Walsen (markwa) |
06-05-2008 08:27 PM |
Hello Michael,
This is a bu
Hello Michael,
This is a bug in VanBasco, not Composer:
<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font>
Composer never has been able to add lyrics such that the first note in the score can have a lyric syllable. It will look okay, but when played by VBKaraoke, etc. the first lyric syllable will not show.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>I was able to reproduce the bug by creating a .kar file totally from scratch in Cakewalk SONAR 7. Just as with the .kar file created by Composer, VanBasco did not display the first lyric.
There's a way I could work around VanBasco's bug. I found that if I added one MIDI tick to the first lyric event, then it would be correctly displayed by VanBasco. However, I'm afraid that if I add that work-around in Composer, just to accommodate VanBasco, I might break some other MIDI or Karaoke application trying to read the Karaoke file created by Composer. Therefore, I will not attempt to add a work-around in Composer.
Instead, I think the work-around you found is a fairly good one, to add an empty upbeat measure before the beginning of the song.
Cheers
-- Mark
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Michael Dodson (michael8648) |
06-05-2008 09:00 PM |
Thanks, Mark.
The truth is
Thanks, Mark.
The truth is that most of the time, songs with lyrics have an instrumental lead-in. On that rare occasion they don't, I just append a lead-in "rest" or a mute note ahead of the first music. An "empty up-beat measure", exactly.
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Daniel Vallery (danielv) |
06-06-2008 01:27 AM |
Ok this is kinda strange... Wh
Ok this is kinda strange... When I tried to open the recovery place, its says access denied, then opens up a manual 'open' window. I went manually to Notation/Composer/Recover, and it said access denied again.
Either way, I checked the properties of the Recover folder, and it said it has 0 files and 0 bytes of memory. But I really don't want my recovery folder to be denied to me...
~Daniel
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Daniel Vallery (danielv) |
06-06-2008 03:14 PM |
Okay, now the recover file is
Okay, now the recover file is opening, but when I try to open any file saved there, it says that access is denied. Anyways, the bid farewell piece is not there, so I'll do it over from scratch.
~Daniel
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Sherry Crann (sherry) |
06-06-2008 03:21 PM |
Howdy Daniel,
Ok, this is w
Howdy Daniel,
Ok, this is weird - I received email notifications of two posts from you, but I don't see them here on the forum.
The issue was regarding shifting notes from one staff to another. This problem has been fixed for the upcoming 2.5 release due in the next couple of weeks.
Daniel, if you had a problem with trying to post to the forum, please email me at support@notation.com and let me know what problem you encountered.
ttfn,
Sherry
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Sherry Crann (sherry) |
06-06-2008 03:31 PM |
Howdy Daniel,
Re. the "
Howdy Daniel,
Re. the "access denied" - that's probably a Windows folder setting.
Start -> Control Panel -> Folder options
There you can set which types of folders show, which ones are archive-only, etc.
And you have to be logged in as an administrator to make the changes http://www.notation.com/discus/clipart/happy.gif
ttfn,
Sherry
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Daniel Vallery (danielv) |
06-06-2008 04:41 PM |
I did send 2 posts, but I dele
I did send 2 posts, but I deleted them after I saw that the problem I found was the first thing posted by Herbert. Sorry for the confusion.
~Daniel
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Sherry Crann (sherry) |
06-06-2008 05:17 PM |
Howdy Daniel,
Thanks for co
Howdy Daniel,
Thanks for confirming that what bit of remaining sanity I have is still intact ;) There are days when I wonder about me....
ttfn,
Sherry
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Herbert WENDE (herbert) |
06-07-2008 12:25 PM |
Hi Sherry, Mark,
1. Create
Hi Sherry, Mark,
1. Create a new song by following the defaults of “start a new song from scratch”
2. Add 1/4 notes to the first two measures. Say eight times g.
3. Add lyrics to each note of the first measure. The lyrics are “a”, “b”, “c” and “d”.
4 Copy and paste special lyrics from the first measure to the second measure.
Only “a” is pasted.
Best wishes,
Herbert
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Sherry Crann (sherry) |
06-07-2008 01:57 PM |
Howdy Herbert,
Thanks for t
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Herbert WENDE (herbert) |
06-29-2008 12:53 AM |
Hi Sherry, Mark,
1. Select
Hi Sherry, Mark,
1. Select an ordinary barline.
2. Click “End and start barline” on the barline palette.
The selected barline changes to a start barline.
Best wishes,
Herbert
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Sherry Crann (sherry) |
06-29-2008 01:58 AM |
Howdy Herbert,
Thanks for t
Howdy Herbert,
Thanks for the report - I've confirmed the bug, and it's now on the "swat it" list.
ttfn,
Sherry
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