Slurs over Page Change
 

This is a problem that I have experienced with Composer over the years. I have two different PCs that show the same problem - on Version 4 and the Beta.

On this score, when I switch from Full Screen to Page mode, the slur in the Alto part misbehaves (see the three screen shots I have included). In screen shot #1 in Full Screen mode, the slur in measures 26 and 27 in the Alto part appears normal. In screen shot #2 and #3, the Alto slur drops down into measure 26.

I have experienced similar problems over my years with Composer, but this is the first time that I haven't been able to tweak my way out of the problem by moving the left anchor up/down/left/right - similar failures with the other three anchors.

Cynthia and I always play these songs on paper from the full score, so it doesn't help to print separate parts.

Grrr - I have three screen shots for this report, but I can't get them "resized" to satisfy the upload.

Ralph Rayner

Re: Slurs over Page Change
 

Hi, Ralph:


A hearty concur from me.


It's been on my wish list for quite a few versions, now.


Maybe in the next one.


David

Re: Slurs over Page Change
 

Hi guys,


I have upped the limits for picture files for the forum. I'd really like to see the screen shots because when I opened up the .not file and looked at it a few different ways I'm not seeing any shifting slurs. I'm probably not holding my mouth the right way ;)


Please do upload the screen shots (you can use Paint, which is on all Windows systems to annotate and crop or resize images) so I can more clearly see the issue.


Thanks,
Sherry

Re: Slurs over Page Change
 

My dear, sweet wife Cynthia, helped me "remember" how to resize jpgs. Here are the three screenshots - resized for this forum:

Screenshot 2023-07-28 #1.jpg shows the score in full screen mode - measures 26 - 27 appear cleanly;

Screenshot 2023-07-28 #2.jpg shows the score in page mode - the area of the problem is in measure 26 with the offending slur in the alto part, and;

Screenshot 2023-07-28 #3.jpg again shows the score in page mode - only measure 27 is shown (not much value).

Ralph Rayner

Re: Slurs over Page Change
 

Hi Ralph,


Thanks for the screenshot. Unfortunately for debugging I am not able to reproduce that issue on my own setup.
Here's my screen shot in Page view:

Attachment 2166

I'm not sure why it's behaving for me but not on your setup.
David, do you (or anyone else) see this issue on your set up?


Also a quick tip for tie placement:

1. Select the errant tie.
2. Click the button in the Tie tool palette that puts it on the "wrong"side of the notes (eg. if the tie is above the notes, click the button that will put it below the notes).
3. Now click the button that puts it back on the "right" side of the notes - typically this will do a nice job of placing it correctly. (I do this a lot of times rather than fidget and fuss manually with tie placement.)

If anyone else is seeing this wonky tie issue with this file or any other one, please let us know here. If you have a different file that is showing the issue (especially if it is consistent with a particular tie), please post that here. The more information we have the better the chance that we can nail down the problem.


Thanks!
Sherry

Re: Slurs over Page Change
 

Hi, Sherri, Ralph:


Here are some screenshots from one of my compositions, showing the behaviour in question.


1. A slur over a page-break in Page View. This was the best I could get it.
2. The same slur after the page-break. Note that the right hand (after the page) is usually 'normal'.
3. The same slur as it appears in Scroll View with the slur selected. Note the distortion required to get the slur to appear even as in screen-shot 1.
4. The same slur moved to appear 'normal' in Scroll View with the slur selected.
5. The same 'normalized' slur as it then appears in Page View.
6. The right hand end of the same slur after the page-break.


I've also attached the .not file of the composition so you can try it out. The slur in question is at bar 31-32.


This issue goes back right to the beginning. I only have versions going back to 2010 on my hard drive, but I know it goes back at least that far.

Re: Slurs over Page Change
 

The 6th pic and the .not file.

Re: Slurs over Page Change
 

Sherry & David,

I don't know if this is a significant additional symptom, but when I left-click the left-most anchor in my (measure 26) example, the anchors disappears completely and reappear wherever the cursor is when I release, as it should, but it shouldn't be a blind drop. I do not see the same behavior in David's sample.

Ralph

Re: Slurs over Page Change
 

I'm not able to reproduce that here, Ralph.


But, I do seem to remember some odd behaviour with the anchors on slurs.


There. How's that for a helpful beta report? :)



David

Re: Slurs over Page Change
 

Not to pile on, but here's another problem with this score. When I try to fine-tune the physical placement of a string of free form text, the anchor disappears and I have to guess where I want to release the cursor. I have the same problem with the note icon to the left of the "= 80" text string at the top of the score.

Ralph Rayner

Re: Slurs over Page Change
 

Hi guys,


I'm not sure what kind of setup you're running, but on my own new workhorse setup running Windows 11 I ran into a weird but true issue with some display stuff. I have a 4K monitor (it's actually a TV that I got on sale, which was WAY cheaper than a "computer monitor", and it will project sound too!) and I found that if I have the "Use HDR" setting "on" that some weird things can happen.



If you are using Windows 11 (and maybe Windows 10), have a look at Settings/System/Display and see if "Use HDR" is turned "On". If so, maybe try turning it "Off" and see if that has any effect on appearance (or disappearance.). I've just tried it myself, and it doesn't make a difference for "My Special Angel", but thought I'd mention it as a possibility.


For me for now I've turned off the HDR setting.....



ttfn,
Sherry

Re: Slurs over Page Change
 

Nice try, but no help for me. My Settings have:

Display capabilities -> Use HDR -> Not supported

RRR